Ding, ding, ding, ding - it's never an emergency. Never.
He checks out of instinct and -
The art isn't bad, actually. He expected a toddler's degree of skill, though Demi-fiend did show some prowess in this field with only dirt and knives. The text too hard to decipher, even when he zooms in.]
well there wasnt much to do in between worlds and demons always have paper on them
also phones dont work in atziluth so when youre like hey have you seen this person/demon/thing theyre always like "duh what does it look like" so. sketching. valuable skill.
[Screenshot. Kept to review later. Atziluth an unfamiliar name - he'll see it if comes up anywhere else.]
Noted. That would be valuable - you were smart to learn that skill to adapt without any other tools at your disposal. I'm impressed.
To your question - a persona is a manifestation of willpower and rebellion. It's an extension of my soul, so different than what you're used to with your demon ilk. Robin Hood and I are one of the same. Its power and abilities stem from me.
tbh i thought you mightve been possessed or smth. humans can kinda like. fuse. with demons but still be human if their willpower is strong enough. thought that was you with RH lololol
but you made him??? then. i guess very localised Observation???? youre deranged enough to make it work i think
youre so weird. can i eat part of RH? i wanna sample its magatsuhi
Now to your next points - I can confirm in full that I'm not a fiend nor fused with a demon. I'm a typical human with an ability entirely uncommon to them.
Made is somewhat misleading, as it implies I had intent to create and input as to its appearance. It awoke in my subconscious when I was young. Its form was made in my soul. There's an 'awakening' process that occurs and, if you accept the terms of that contract, its power is yours to wield.
I can understand the confusion - yes, it's a contract. However, it's a contract to accept your rebellion, so to speak, and your desire to fight against an unjust world. It's difficult to describe when we're both accustomed to our own realities and have little knowledge of the other's world.
If I may - do you mind providing a visual of the two you described? I'm interested in seeing it and you're adept at doing such things.
[That does look like a palace ruler - all of them. The yellow eyes are more evidence in that favor. A downright confirmation, frankly, but Akechi can't ever truly know.]
Yes, it happens - it also occurs during awakenings temporarily while the contract is stated. It's permanent to some entities entirely, though explaining that now, and the differences, would be a difficult task.
Aradia is the entity covering the face, I assume? That's fascinating, though while our realities may be similar in some aspects, they're far different in others. In my time and own relatively minor experience, I've never seen anything like Aradia.
I should also note - my reality involves the real world, one where personas and these types of cognitions cannot manifest and the cognitive world, a place most people aren't aware of. This is where all the entities I've described exist.
so cognitive world = atziluth and real world = assiah
probably
sounds lke the barrier between yours is pretty strong but i wouldnt say that "cognition" cant manifest in assiah at all. i mean. in the entire history of your world can you say for definite it never happened?
i mean
your world probably still has ghost stories or legends about gods and the like too. humans are prone to saying wild shit but theres always a bit of truth in the middle of it. i mean. thats how Observation and Understanding work with you guys. everything you believe is true becomes true with enough human belief behind it.
so following that logic
your "cognitions" definitely can manifest in the "real world" if people believe those cognitions - as gods or guardians or whatever - to be in the real world with them. it becomes true bc they believe that. just gotta have enough souls powering that 'truth'. surprisingly not many when you think about it lol lmao
its probs just less likely now tho bc humans are shifting their belief system more onto science and shit
Read and analyzed - Demi-Fiend's account isn't too far from his version of Tokyo. Different names, different situations - he's right.
Akechi can't know for certain. Does know there's a fuzzier edge with Maruki's input, and how his persona manifested in reality. Rarity. An oddity.
A premonition. A secret for that man to share and not Akechi. He won't out him - not yet.
Unintentionally, he confirms knowledge of the cognitive world and how it operates - everything becomes true. In that reality, people can be kings of their castles, managers of a casino, live out their distorted dreams. Legends become real. Follow commonalities and naming conventions throughout history, known by the masses.]
I'm impressed. Perhaps I was too hasty in assuming you wouldn't understand what I was talking out. Not as an insult to your intelligence, of course - it's a simple fact that the cognitive world, perhaps your Atziluth, is an unknown in my reality. Very few can comprehend its existence. Less still understand it.
By your account, they are similar. I don't disagree nor do I think it's impossible for the two realities to merge, or discount the fact they may have in the past.
This world existed long before us. It will exist long after. I'm sure you feel the same. Everything about is a mystery beyond rational human comprehension, despite the fact it was born from our own souls.
Perhaps those wriggling little creatures that found their way into your body exist in our world too, and are simply waiting for the opportunity to find a way into the true reality.
As I thought about our last conversation, it occurred me - Magatama exist in the cognitive world. However, they're items. Not living beings, and somewhat rare ones at that. I've only stumbled on a few.
[Usually, when Demi-Fiend DMs people, it's to satisfy dull boredom or to see how he can poke whatever hornet's nest he chose to torment that day. As a result he'll be typing on his phone casually, uncaring of grammar or coherency, lounging like a sated lion after a hunt, not bothering to engage his brain because this was just for his own entertainment. That was what life was for him nowadays. Just boredom, brief entertainment, and more boredom, as the vastness of eternity stretched out endlessly before him...
But right now he's sat up completely, typing very carefully, his attention ensnared by something that was, for once, interesting to him.
Other worlds within Amala's boundary were boring to him. Their differences were slight, from what he'd seen - with the exception of that one with the demon-humans and their god being the Sun, that was mildly interesting - but Akechi's world... offered a fascinating line of thought he'd never really considered.
Humans were weak. They had to grasp at demons or gods to become strong - even Demi-Fiend acknowledged that his strength was borne from the magatama, that if he had remained human, he would've died as a pathetic weakling, swept aside like so many others. Even Raidou, as strong as he was, was a weak human. Time claimed him as it did all mortal things.
Persona... manifesting an entity on par with a demon from the depths of your soul, without paying a toll. No magatsuhi cost, no one-sided contracts, no clinging onto a capricious demon that offered its gift wrapped in barbed wire... it was a power that only HUMANS could have. A power that HUMANS could awaken in themselves en masse... maybe? But it meant that secret ambition Demi-Fiend harboured within him... an Amala free from the machinations of the Great Will, of Lucifer - an Amala where humanity finally stomped down on their grasping fingers and stood at the very top...?
Demi-Fiend's mind was churning with the possibility. He was glad this conversation was being done over text, to be honest.]
sure lol
but makes sense. magatama arent living beings. theyre closer to 'objects' than an 'entity'. when inert, they look like this for example. similar to the jade they share their name with lol
and theyre pure demonic essence. when they're not busy chewing into your brainstem they can channel a lot of power. magatama: parasite, or unholy hand grenade? lol they can multi-task when they want to
anyway, a thought.
its the same in my reality re: atziluth. the average human knows nothing about it but every human consciousness feeds into it. think of it like a sea of info from which all demons are born. made easier when those thoughts are digitised - like with the internet lol
did you know its a lot easier and less energy intensive to summon demons through digital rituals? if you use arcane rituals it takes a lot of energy. youre needing to generate enough power to have the demon cross the boundary between the two worlds but also allow it to adopt a physical form since it exists as pure data before. demon summoning programmes sidestep this issue by hooking its summoning protocols onto the internet harvesting the infinite emotional energy humans pour into it daily to manage the data transfer from atziluth to assiah
so it makes me wonder. perhaps your cognitive world is simply that but for whatever reason is a either completely walled off... or so blended with the human world that its actually difficult to map out the boundary between them. the way you describe creating a persona makes me think it's the latter tbh
which is interesting. it means the demons there are completely at the mercy of human Observation. i'm guessing that its normal in your world to think demons and spirits and all that to be fictional? just shit you see in stories, films and games?
so as a result no longer have a physical presence on your world?
in my reality there's still a separation between the two. human belief wanes but the data has already been spawned and the demons have developed their own individual consciousness. theyre still slaves to human Observation but theres wiggle room for them. they can still do their own shit and think their own things.
in yours it sounds like the data needs to be continuously generated? bc your two worlds are so overlayed...
i need to think. this is interesting. if your world resides within amala's boundary like i think it does then its rules can probs be replicated
[Well. Noted. It doesn't particularly matter, since their effects don't last past the Metaverse. Whatever similarities it has to Demi-Fiend's own ends at the name itself.
It's the rest of this that's interesting.
The internet connection - a phone app appearing out of the blue.
Alright.]
I'll admit - you've provided a brand new perspective for me. One I haven't heard before or explored on my own. It never occurred to associate internet usage with that world, or the collective unconcious that resides in it.
However, it makes sense. Moreso given how access to our cognitive world is given - through a phone application. To my current knowledge, an internet connection may or may not be required. I live in a city that is perpetually connected to it. I plan to test this when I return to my reality. Though not your main point in this, I'm curious if the application will work.
As for the demons, or shadows - they do have their own personalities. They have demeanors you can exploit, preferences they discuss and move around in that reality. They don't have a functioning society, of course. I would still consider them mindless in comparison to the true world, however-
I will reassess and try to recall the extent of their autonomy. After all, the shadows are born from distorted desires. An awakening occurs in a moment of great stress to the user. Emotions are part and parcel of the cognitive world. Something I knew, yet I didn't put the importance on it I should have.
What a connection - this is beyond intriguing.
You've given me much to think about.
If I may, in the future, I would like to have another conversation with you about this. I was too hasty in denying a connection between our two worlds. I would like to reevaluate that.
makes sense you can access your cognitive world through an app. theyre putting everything in apps nowadays. demon summoning programmes too! wouldnt be surprised if they turned every mobile phone into a miniturised terminal with some dumb "Amala Network App"
damn i kinda want that. would make wandering around amala 1000000% easier
do you know how looooooooooooooong it takes trying to move between terminals to travel around the network???????? ten million yeeeeeeeeeeeeeears
[Ah, it seemed the brief burst of intelligence Demi-Fiend had shown was beginning to splutter out. Honestly, his boredom was starting to take hold again. He had enough info to mull over in his sleep, and he was going to mull over it deeply...
And try to orchestrate a fight with Akechi as soon as he got his powers back. He needed to stress test that 'Persona' to failure...]
but ye lol this convo has been interesting and has made me realise some things
that i thought mightve been impossible but heh you humans
we'll talk again about this. after some thought. and
oh i also wanna say
i want to test myself against your persona. no holding back
dont worry about killing me. even if you manage it death's nothing to me so feel free to go like fucking apeshit or w/e
If you insist. I wouldn't dream of killing someone, demon or otherwise. My morals wouldn't allow such a thing.
Though I won't hold back at all. I assume you can take more than your fair share of punches and have experience with skills similar to the ones Robin Hood has.
Once your powers are returned to you in full, I will gladly spar against you. It's good exercise, after all. My only request is you keep my abilities a secret - very few know and I would like to keep it that way.
The masses are willing to believe anything with very little evidence. As you continue to live here, you'll note it. Anything you say will likely be taken as gospel, so to speak.
However, it would be your word against mine. Don't let it come to that.
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Ding, ding, ding, ding - it's never an emergency. Never.
He checks out of instinct and -
The art isn't bad, actually. He expected a toddler's degree of skill, though Demi-fiend did show some prowess in this field with only dirt and knives. The text too hard to decipher, even when he zooms in.]
Thank you - that's a pleasant surprise.
I didn't take you to be an artist.
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also phones dont work in atziluth so when youre like hey have you seen this person/demon/thing theyre always like "duh what does it look like" so. sketching. valuable skill.
anyway ive been thinking
how does your "persona" work
curious
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Noted. That would be valuable - you were smart to learn that skill to adapt without any other tools at your disposal. I'm impressed.
To your question - a persona is a manifestation of willpower and rebellion. It's an extension of my soul, so different than what you're used to with your demon ilk. Robin Hood and I are one of the same. Its power and abilities stem from me.
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tbh i thought you mightve been possessed or smth. humans can kinda like. fuse. with demons but still be human if their willpower is strong enough. thought that was you with RH lololol
but you made him??? then. i guess very localised Observation???? youre deranged enough to make it work i think
youre so weird. can i eat part of RH? i wanna sample its magatsuhi
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Okay. He'll revisit this all in a moment, but the most pressing concern-]
No, you cannot eat a part of Robin Hood. As polite as your request is, it's denied.
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Ok fine
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Good.
Now to your next points - I can confirm in full that I'm not a fiend nor fused with a demon. I'm a typical human with an ability entirely uncommon to them.
Made is somewhat misleading, as it implies I had intent to create and input as to its appearance. It awoke in my subconscious when I was young. Its form was made in my soul. There's an 'awakening' process that occurs and, if you accept the terms of that contract, its power is yours to wield.
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contract
thats what made me think demon bc why would you contract smth thats already you??? thats just weird behaviour and suspicious
unless you spontaneously created a demon from your soul then it makes sense
which humans can do since thats where demons and gods come from anyways lol lmao
so if demon then -> you birthed it -> immediately contracted to -> ergo "persona"
demon just with extra steps
but its just splitting hairs at this point i guess
at least you dont have a tree for an arm or faces all over your body
thats what happened to the other two
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If I may - do you mind providing a visual of the two you described? I'm interested in seeing it and you're adept at doing such things.
[SIR THEY SOUND LIKE A PALACE RULERS. Draw em.]
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i dont have colour but both of their eyes turned yellow too. does that happen in your reality.
also.
[There's another pause. About ten minutes. Then he posts a sketch of... a woman(?)]
three. i remembered. shes more like you tho. 'aradia' is closer to what you call 'persona' than demon. RH manifests outside of you tho...
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Yes, it happens - it also occurs during awakenings temporarily while the contract is stated. It's permanent to some entities entirely, though explaining that now, and the differences, would be a difficult task.
Aradia is the entity covering the face, I assume? That's fascinating, though while our realities may be similar in some aspects, they're far different in others. In my time and own relatively minor experience, I've never seen anything like Aradia.
I should also note - my reality involves the real world, one where personas and these types of cognitions cannot manifest and the cognitive world, a place most people aren't aware of. This is where all the entities I've described exist.
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so cognitive world = atziluth and real world = assiah
probably
sounds lke the barrier between yours is pretty strong but i wouldnt say that "cognition" cant manifest in assiah at all. i mean. in the entire history of your world can you say for definite it never happened?
i mean
your world probably still has ghost stories or legends about gods and the like too. humans are prone to saying wild shit but theres always a bit of truth in the middle of it. i mean. thats how Observation and Understanding work with you guys. everything you believe is true becomes true with enough human belief behind it.
so following that logic
your "cognitions" definitely can manifest in the "real world" if people believe those cognitions - as gods or guardians or whatever - to be in the real world with them. it becomes true bc they believe that. just gotta have enough souls powering that 'truth'. surprisingly not many when you think about it lol lmao
its probs just less likely now tho bc humans are shifting their belief system more onto science and shit
cw: parasite mention
Read and analyzed - Demi-Fiend's account isn't too far from his version of Tokyo. Different names, different situations - he's right.
Akechi can't know for certain. Does know there's a fuzzier edge with Maruki's input, and how his persona manifested in reality. Rarity. An oddity.
A premonition. A secret for that man to share and not Akechi. He won't out him - not yet.
Unintentionally, he confirms knowledge of the cognitive world and how it operates - everything becomes true. In that reality, people can be kings of their castles, managers of a casino, live out their distorted dreams. Legends become real. Follow commonalities and naming conventions throughout history, known by the masses.]
I'm impressed. Perhaps I was too hasty in assuming you wouldn't understand what I was talking out. Not as an insult to your intelligence, of course - it's a simple fact that the cognitive world, perhaps your Atziluth, is an unknown in my reality. Very few can comprehend its existence. Less still understand it.
By your account, they are similar. I don't disagree nor do I think it's impossible for the two realities to merge, or discount the fact they may have in the past.
This world existed long before us. It will exist long after. I'm sure you feel the same. Everything about is a mystery beyond rational human comprehension, despite the fact it was born from our own souls.
Perhaps those wriggling little creatures that found their way into your body exist in our world too, and are simply waiting for the opportunity to find a way into the true reality.
As I thought about our last conversation, it occurred me - Magatama exist in the cognitive world. However, they're items. Not living beings, and somewhat rare ones at that. I've only stumbled on a few.
Isn't that fascinating?
cw: parasite mention
But right now he's sat up completely, typing very carefully, his attention ensnared by something that was, for once, interesting to him.
Other worlds within Amala's boundary were boring to him. Their differences were slight, from what he'd seen - with the exception of that one with the demon-humans and their god being the Sun, that was mildly interesting - but Akechi's world... offered a fascinating line of thought he'd never really considered.
Humans were weak. They had to grasp at demons or gods to become strong - even Demi-Fiend acknowledged that his strength was borne from the magatama, that if he had remained human, he would've died as a pathetic weakling, swept aside like so many others. Even Raidou, as strong as he was, was a weak human. Time claimed him as it did all mortal things.
Persona... manifesting an entity on par with a demon from the depths of your soul, without paying a toll. No magatsuhi cost, no one-sided contracts, no clinging onto a capricious demon that offered its gift wrapped in barbed wire... it was a power that only HUMANS could have. A power that HUMANS could awaken in themselves en masse... maybe? But it meant that secret ambition Demi-Fiend harboured within him... an Amala free from the machinations of the Great Will, of Lucifer - an Amala where humanity finally stomped down on their grasping fingers and stood at the very top...?
Demi-Fiend's mind was churning with the possibility. He was glad this conversation was being done over text, to be honest.]
sure lol
but makes sense. magatama arent living beings. theyre closer to 'objects' than an 'entity'. when inert, they look like this for example. similar to the jade they share their name with lol
and theyre pure demonic essence. when they're not busy chewing into your brainstem they can channel a lot of power. magatama: parasite, or unholy hand grenade? lol they can multi-task when they want to
anyway, a thought.
its the same in my reality re: atziluth. the average human knows nothing about it but every human consciousness feeds into it. think of it like a sea of info from which all demons are born. made easier when those thoughts are digitised - like with the internet lol
did you know its a lot easier and less energy intensive to summon demons through digital rituals? if you use arcane rituals it takes a lot of energy. youre needing to generate enough power to have the demon cross the boundary between the two worlds but also allow it to adopt a physical form since it exists as pure data before. demon summoning programmes sidestep this issue by hooking its summoning protocols onto the internet harvesting the infinite emotional energy humans pour into it daily to manage the data transfer from atziluth to assiah
so it makes me wonder. perhaps your cognitive world is simply that but for whatever reason is a either completely walled off... or so blended with the human world that its actually difficult to map out the boundary between them. the way you describe creating a persona makes me think it's the latter tbh
which is interesting. it means the demons there are completely at the mercy of human Observation. i'm guessing that its normal in your world to think demons and spirits and all that to be fictional? just shit you see in stories, films and games?
so as a result no longer have a physical presence on your world?
in my reality there's still a separation between the two. human belief wanes but the data has already been spawned and the demons have developed their own individual consciousness. theyre still slaves to human Observation but theres wiggle room for them. they can still do their own shit and think their own things.
in yours it sounds like the data needs to be continuously generated? bc your two worlds are so overlayed...
i need to think. this is interesting. if your world resides within amala's boundary like i think it does then its rules can probs be replicated
THOU HAST OBTAINED THE JUSTICE ARCANA THOU HAST BLAH BLAH BLAH
It's the rest of this that's interesting.
The internet connection - a phone app appearing out of the blue.
Alright.]
I'll admit - you've provided a brand new perspective for me. One I haven't heard before or explored on my own. It never occurred to associate internet usage with that world, or the collective unconcious that resides in it.
However, it makes sense. Moreso given how access to our cognitive world is given - through a phone application. To my current knowledge, an internet connection may or may not be required. I live in a city that is perpetually connected to it. I plan to test this when I return to my reality. Though not your main point in this, I'm curious if the application will work.
As for the demons, or shadows - they do have their own personalities. They have demeanors you can exploit, preferences they discuss and move around in that reality. They don't have a functioning society, of course. I would still consider them mindless in comparison to the true world, however-
I will reassess and try to recall the extent of their autonomy. After all, the shadows are born from distorted desires. An awakening occurs in a moment of great stress to the user. Emotions are part and parcel of the cognitive world. Something I knew, yet I didn't put the importance on it I should have.
What a connection - this is beyond intriguing.
You've given me much to think about.
If I may, in the future, I would like to have another conversation with you about this. I was too hasty in denying a connection between our two worlds. I would like to reevaluate that.
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damn i kinda want that. would make wandering around amala 1000000% easier
do you know how looooooooooooooong it takes trying to move between terminals to travel around the network???????? ten million yeeeeeeeeeeeeeears
[Ah, it seemed the brief burst of intelligence Demi-Fiend had shown was beginning to splutter out. Honestly, his boredom was starting to take hold again. He had enough info to mull over in his sleep, and he was going to mull over it deeply...
And try to orchestrate a fight with Akechi as soon as he got his powers back. He needed to stress test that 'Persona' to failure...]
but ye lol this convo has been interesting and has made me realise some things
that i thought mightve been impossible but heh you humans
we'll talk again about this. after some thought. and
oh i also wanna say
i want to test myself against your persona. no holding back
dont worry about killing me. even if you manage it death's nothing to me so feel free to go like fucking apeshit or w/e
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Fucking hell.]
If you insist. I wouldn't dream of killing someone, demon or otherwise. My morals wouldn't allow such a thing.
Though I won't hold back at all. I assume you can take more than your fair share of punches and have experience with skills similar to the ones Robin Hood has.
Once your powers are returned to you in full, I will gladly spar against you. It's good exercise, after all. My only request is you keep my abilities a secret - very few know and I would like to keep it that way.
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im just the local dumbass making up crazy shit all the time （〃｀ 3′〃）
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The masses are willing to believe anything with very little evidence. As you continue to live here, you'll note it. Anything you say will likely be taken as gospel, so to speak.
However, it would be your word against mine. Don't let it come to that.
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youre cute
but fine. so long as you promise to fight me thisll be our little secret ( •̀ ω •́ )✧
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Oh, no. I wouldn't threaten you. Please don't take it the wrong way.
Though I'm glad to hear you'll honor it - thank you.
We'll talk soon.
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